Originally by: Andargor theWise

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Edited by: Andargor theWise on 19/01/2007 16:25:31

Originally by: Marcus TheMartin

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I've tried making this point so many times but every cloak junkie likes to respond simply with "good thats what they are meant to do blah blah"

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Originally by: ghoststalkertr

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They are meant to cloak and spy, yes i agree with that.

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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker

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This is what cloaking where made for.

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Originally by: Aurel Senia

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its a cloak, its SUPPOSED to make you invisible.

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Originally by: Vizranuh

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this is what it's supposed to be used for!

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Marcus, your future-fu is strong. Are you available for palm readings?

I am sure powerful alliance leaders would like to retain your services to predict how the geopolitical landscape will change in the next few months. Trade tycoons as well!.

Marcus, you are my friend.

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Originally by: Aelena Thraant

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Yes cloaks need a counter.... I agree... Maybe a special scan prob that takes 20 minutes or so and has like a 1 au range. Not perfect but a counter.

Now your situation is counterable. Have scouts in surrounding systems to make sure there isn't a gang to gank someone ratting... If it's a force recon... I would suggest ratting in groups.

A long time ago my corporation was camped with a Carrier with a cloak and a Force Recon or 2. We just learned to adapt and it gave us some tactics that we used later.

IMO Non Covert ops cloak should somehow should disengage after a set amount of time. That way if people are there then they can just recloak if they arn't then out goes the scan probes.

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Originally by: Eriv Kendri

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Its the afk nature of the cloaker thats most annoying - perhaps you should be kicked from the server if you are afk for more than a certain time. That way someone has to be at least attendent.

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Originally by: Rod Blaine

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So, you've got a single claoked alt sitting in your system....

And that's an issue because of what exactly ?


You don't feel safe ? OMG !
The answer is called puttin-an-alt/scout-of-your-own-in-nextdoor-systems-and-letting-all-friendlies-know-when-to-run-for-cover

Ofc, you could also try to set a trap for him and his friends if the prior tactic doesn't help for some reason. I bet they wouldn't expect to scramble a single bs in a belt only to be jumped by a dozen others from a safespot 15 au away.

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Originally by: Sean Dillon

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If they cloak they can't kill you, so whats the problem exactly?

He's just monitoring your activity and report to enemy, why dont you do the same with your enemy? But you dont think that far.

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Originally by: Deez Nuttzy

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didn't read all of the threads but i did read 2/3 of them.

Lets assume the sci-fi guys in CCP got the idea for cloaking technology from star trek. well they can be tracked too by adjusting their sensors and such bu its still hard to do. So a special scan probe that worked 33% of the time might resolve that issue. Star gate same thing almost every sci-fi show had had cloaking technology in it and eventually they still were found so there should be a way.

now for real life ships and planes the US Navy and Air Force have stealth technology and we should all agree with that. That doesn't mean they are I WIN ship/planes cause there are counter measures that negate the stealth. passive radar for example - look it u - you'll see.

i don't fly a cloaked ship yet, and I am not a pvp'r too - but to make a ship with out flaws is not human and last time i checked the 4 races are all human. CCP add something to be able to scan out a cloacked ship but just don't make it to easy

So for this guy who is 23/7 and doesn't move then he will eventually get sanned and pwned but if he is truly moving around cloaked then it should be really tough to get him.

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Originally by: Cordelia Simonova

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The moment cloaks can be found by scans is the moment cloaks become useless. The sole reason for having them is removed.

Cloaks and cloaked ships have enough problems as it is. Anyone who knows how to fly cloaked ships know how tricky they are to keep alive, how difficult they are to fit effectively and easy they are to detect.

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Originally by: James Snowscoran

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It's not an exploit but it's still stupid. There should be a way to find the ships if they're afk, that is avoidable if they are by the computer paying attention. One way is to make the cloaking device use inexpensive fuel that has to be reloaded into the device from time to time, kinda like a cap injector. If noone's there to turn the cloak on again after it finishes reloading the ship stays uncloaked.

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Originally by: Turin

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I think the easiest solution would be this.

Inactivity timers. If you dont hit a key into EVE in say. 1 hour, your disconnected.

This does two thingas.

Gets rid of the annoying AFK cloaker, whos only there to **** you off.

Cuts un needed connectins, thus improving lag and game quality.

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Originally by: Bawldeux IV

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cloaking is not an exploit
staying in a system cloaked to spy on anyone is not an exploit

a covops ship is a poor poor poor POOR pvp ship, so it in itself has no advantage over your cepters, BC's....heck, it would have a tough time popping a pod

as was already posted before, use your own spies in connected systems to warn you of the incoming gank squads.

there RA, now stop whining...

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Originally by: Falcione

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Originally by: Turin

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I think the easiest solution would be this.

Inactivity timers. If you dont hit a key into EVE in say. 1 hour, your disconnected.

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That happens to me already... I usually have to talk to someone in corp or local to stay connected. I thought this was a standard feature already.

Or is it a "feature"?

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Originally by: Jezala

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Edited by: Jezala on 19/01/2007 21:40:19

I am completely baffled at how some people can insist on claiming that a covert ops ship, cloaked in a system, with little to no weaponry, who does nothing but sit in a system can pose such a magnificent threat to a 10-ship fleet such that it is considered to be an "I Win" button.

HUH??

Explain to me again what's so threatening about a cloaked ship that for all intents and purposes can't shoot back. And how exactly does the cloaked ship "win"?

Originally by: Zyrla Bladestorm

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Exploit ? definetely not, somewhat impressive show of dedication? yep. But pretty frustrating all the same since the only "defence" vs it involves hacing a bunch of people spend 23/7 awake and staring into space where the cloaker barely spends any time at all.

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The hell do you need a defense for? What's the helios going to do, scram and ransom your freighter? Christ, if RATEL is going to be such a wimp over a single cloaked ship that literally does nothing but sit in system then I should go pay a visit to their home systems.

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Originally by: Blue Pixie

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What's the whole point of Covert Ops... heck, cloak in general... if you can't do this?

You may as well say you don't like turrets ù 'cause they do damage ù and call it griefing or an exploit.

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